Comments on: I Bin Thinkin’ http://geronimojoe.com/?p=38 Wed, 21 Jul 2010 23:59:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Hula Doula http://geronimojoe.com/?p=38&cpage=1#comment-86 Hula Doula Fri, 03 Apr 2009 13:35:42 +0000 http://geronimojoe.com/?p=38#comment-86 Being a Christian myself, you have obviously given me much to think about. Well thought out and some interesting points. I personally have always believed in Theistic Evolution. Meaning...God set the universe and man in order. From there we have adapted and evolved. Not from one celled creatures mind you, but the evolving part comes from adaption. I guess it could be called Theistic adaption as opposed to evolution. Being a Christian myself, you have obviously given me much to think about. Well thought out and some interesting points.
I personally have always believed in Theistic Evolution. Meaning…God set the universe and man in order. From there we have adapted and evolved. Not from one celled creatures mind you, but the evolving part comes from adaption.
I guess it could be called Theistic adaption as opposed to evolution.

]]> By: Croila http://geronimojoe.com/?p=38&cpage=1#comment-83 Croila Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:36:05 +0000 http://geronimojoe.com/?p=38#comment-83 I disagree with a lot of what you have to say - the fact that I'm a member of the Humanist Society of Scotland kind of sums up my beliefs so I won't expand on that here. However, though I may completely disagree with a lot of what you say, I have an enormous amount of respect for the fact you have obviously put a lot of thought into the matter and seem to largely have reached the beliefs you have by critical consideration rather than by accident. I think a lot of your conclusions are wrong, as indeed you will believe mine are, but no matter - I'm just really glad to see you've got an argument that's well considered. Even if I disagree with a lot of it. Dunno exactly what I'm trying to say here ... Probably just, I like your thought processes even if I think they wound up at the wrong desintation, and I'm just so glad we live in a society where we're free to disagree like this! I disagree with a lot of what you have to say – the fact that I’m a member of the Humanist Society of Scotland kind of sums up my beliefs so I won’t expand on that here.

However, though I may completely disagree with a lot of what you say, I have an enormous amount of respect for the fact you have obviously put a lot of thought into the matter and seem to largely have reached the beliefs you have by critical consideration rather than by accident.

I think a lot of your conclusions are wrong, as indeed you will believe mine are, but no matter – I’m just really glad to see you’ve got an argument that’s well considered. Even if I disagree with a lot of it.

Dunno exactly what I’m trying to say here … Probably just, I like your thought processes even if I think they wound up at the wrong desintation, and I’m just so glad we live in a society where we’re free to disagree like this!

]]> By: Max http://geronimojoe.com/?p=38&cpage=1#comment-81 Max Sat, 21 Mar 2009 10:05:23 +0000 http://geronimojoe.com/?p=38#comment-81 Very thoughtful and considered post. I agree with nearly everything you say! I am not sure about your view on the purpose of science. It does indeed ask WHY questions...some very big ones! Not all science is empirical and quantitative...today there are scientists who have a non empirical epistemology and ontology. Perhaps it's about levels of analysis! Take for example SOCIETY. It can be explained equally by a Judeo Christian, Constructionist or evolutionary narrative. This sounds like a wooly liberal statemnt. I hope not, it just avoids a senseless fundamentalism....like....the earth is six thousand years old...and science is out to get us! Where am I going with all this? Like evolution probably...nowhere! Maybe we need to try harder to understand AND...AND explanations over opting for either/or simplifications. Thanks for writing this post. I'm writing an essay on all this stuff at the moment so very topical for me! Very thoughtful and considered post. I agree with nearly everything you say! I am not sure about your view on the purpose of science. It does indeed ask WHY questions…some very big ones! Not all science is empirical and quantitative…today there are scientists who have a non empirical epistemology and ontology. Perhaps it’s about levels of analysis! Take for example SOCIETY. It can be explained equally by a Judeo Christian, Constructionist or evolutionary narrative. This sounds like a wooly liberal statemnt. I hope not, it just avoids a senseless fundamentalism….like….the earth is six thousand years old…and science is out to get us! Where am I going with all this? Like evolution probably…nowhere! Maybe we need to try harder to understand AND…AND explanations over opting for either/or simplifications. Thanks for writing this post. I’m writing an essay on all this stuff at the moment so very topical for me!

]]> By: Kimberlee http://geronimojoe.com/?p=38&cpage=1#comment-80 Kimberlee Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:51:45 +0000 http://geronimojoe.com/?p=38#comment-80 Um, this is not really in response to the post at all, sorry. It is long and looks like you're going to make me think a lot and I really don't want to do any kind of thinking other than where's my coffee & smokes and are the kids still breathing? I didn't know you still had this online and I was feeling really bad about missing it! But then I noticed that you post like - hardly ever so now I'm feeling ok about it and when I have time and am in the right frame of mind...I promise I'll read it all. And you know I will. !! =] Um, this is not really in response to the post at all, sorry. It is long and looks like you’re going to make me think a lot and I really don’t want to do any kind of thinking other than where’s my coffee & smokes and are the kids still breathing?

I didn’t know you still had this online and I was feeling really bad about missing it! But then I noticed that you post like – hardly ever so now I’m feeling ok about it and when I have time and am in the right frame of mind…I promise I’ll read it all.

And you know I will.

!! =]

]]> By: Miss Bliss http://geronimojoe.com/?p=38&cpage=1#comment-79 Miss Bliss Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:45:08 +0000 http://geronimojoe.com/?p=38#comment-79 Nicely written. I'm not sure that I agree that we have the "ability to destroy all life on our planet". We have the ability to destroy a lot of it and we certainly have the ability to make it completely uninhabitable for us. But life in general on this planet has proven itself to be quite tenacious and able to recover from damage that we truly thought permanent. As for Sciences ability to explain...well I think it explains as much as it can based on what we are capable of understanding and finding. There was a time when Science told us that physical illness was caused by bad "humors" or spirits, that flies were "created" from garbage and that mental illness was possession by demons. For it's day that was the best that Science had...so I have no way of knowing what Science may show me in twenty years or two hundred years. It may eventually be able to give a very concise answer to those questions or more likely it will make those questions moot by virtue of showing them to be the wrong questions as is so often the case with Scientific progress. But I don't think that has anything at all to do with the question of why we seem to NEED religion or faith. Not really the same things, but very tied to each other. I have thought for a very long time now that the next step in evolution for human beings will be a spiritual step...and it remains to be seen if we will accomplish it or not. Nicely written.

I’m not sure that I agree that we have the “ability to destroy all life on our planet”. We have the ability to destroy a lot of it and we certainly have the ability to make it completely uninhabitable for us. But life in general on this planet has proven itself to be quite tenacious and able to recover from damage that we truly thought permanent.

As for Sciences ability to explain…well I think it explains as much as it can based on what we are capable of understanding and finding. There was a time when Science told us that physical illness was caused by bad “humors” or spirits, that flies were “created” from garbage and that mental illness was possession by demons. For it’s day that was the best that Science had…so I have no way of knowing what Science may show me in twenty years or two hundred years. It may eventually be able to give a very concise answer to those questions or more likely it will make those questions moot by virtue of showing them to be the wrong questions as is so often the case with Scientific progress.

But I don’t think that has anything at all to do with the question of why we seem to NEED religion or faith. Not really the same things, but very tied to each other. I have thought for a very long time now that the next step in evolution for human beings will be a spiritual step…and it remains to be seen if we will accomplish it or not.

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